Podcast episodes
Learning Isn’t Storage (2026)
Laksh and I discuss how learning isn’t storage, but doing things with new knowledge; ideas that have their foundation in cybernetics and enactivism.
Beyond “Just Telling” (2026)
Drew Perkins and I explore the difference between teaching to, exploring with, and teaching with, based on differences in assumptions about how the mind learns.
Teaching Meaning (2026)
Marcus Luther and I explored some of the principle ideas in my book, Teaching Meaning.
Sense-making and Cybernetics in Classroom Teaching (2025)
Nick Covington and I explored themes on enactive cognitive science, cybernetics, and meaning making, and how they mark a difference from mind-as-computer pedagogies.
Knowledge Doesn’t Equal Understanding (2025)
Drew Perkins and I explored the problems of suggesting that knowledge equals understanding.


